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Re: More Trains, More Services | Signalling Upgrades

Postby Tonymercury » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:09 am

Additionally, when I came to work in Sydney at the end of 1964, signals were often well beyond the end of the platform so as to avoid SPADS in the event of an overshoot, at least in the suburbs. Over the years they seem to have crept back to the platform end.
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Re: More Trains, More Services | Signalling Upgrades

Postby Linto63 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:03 am

Glen wrote:Did that really used to happen or are you just surmising?
You only have to look at what happened after the relatively low speed incident at Richmond a few months ago. Deemed serious enough for the ASTB to investigate. Back in the day it would have been deemed driver error, driver sent to the pub for a double scotch to calm his nerves and been sent back out on the road the next day. Now we have mandatory drug and alcohol testing and the driver will be fully assessed before resuming duty.

Glen wrote:Not sure what you mean by that?
In days before provided that nothing happened as a result, drivers were able to operate with more discretion, pass through red signals that weren't protected by tripcocks, be liberal with speed limits etc. In this era of logging, cameras etc no longer possible.
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Re: More Trains, More Services | Signalling Upgrades

Postby tonyp » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:40 am

That old NSWGR story from the 1950s about how all the engineers couldn't figure out why the new diesel locos couldn't outperform the steamers even though on paper they should - until somebody pointed out that the diesels were fitted with speedometers, the steam locos weren't. Speed boards were assessed by intuition in the old days, erring on the fast side ....
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Re: More Trains, More Services | Signalling Upgrades

Postby Glen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:25 pm

Linto63 wrote:
Glen wrote:Did that really used to happen or are you just surmising?
You only have to look at what happened after the relatively low speed incident at Richmond a few months ago.

Does (or did) Richmond have timed trips?

Linto63 wrote:
Glen wrote:Not sure what you mean by that?
In days before provided that nothing happened as a result, drivers were able to operate with more discretion, pass through red signals that weren't protected by tripcocks

Are they not still?

This link seems to imply they are:

https://railsafe.org.au/__data/assets/p ... -at-STOP.P
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Re: More Trains, More Services | Signalling Upgrades

Postby mandonov » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:50 am

The first projects in this next stage of MTMS were apparently in consultation for the last couple months.

https://yoursay.transport.nsw.gov.au/mtms-hurstville

Hurstville Crossover Project

The first lines to benefit from the Program will be the T4 Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line, the South Coast Line and the T8 Airport and South Line. These are some of the busiest lines on the Sydney Trains network, catering for 410,000 return trips in a typical day and representing around one third of all Sydney Trains daily customers.
As part of the Program, Hurstville to Bondi Junction all station services will swap operation from the Illawarra Local tracks to the Illawarra Main tracks to optimise the capacity of the T4 corridor. The Hurstville crossover Proposal (the Proposal) would introduce a crossover on the City side of Hurstville Station to enable all station services operating on the Down Illawarra Main track to terminate at Platform 4 at Hurstville Station and commence service back towards the city on the Up Illawarra Main track.


https://yoursay.transport.nsw.gov.au/mtms-mortdale

Mortdale Maintenance Centre Upgrade (part 2)

Under the More Trains, More Services Program, an additional 29 Tangara trains will be introduced to the T4 Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line and potentially the South Coast Line, subject to further development of the operational requirements of the network. A goal of the Program is to consolidate the majority of maintenance of the entire Tangara fleet (55.5 8-car sets) at Mortdale Maintenance Centre. This change aims to avoid the dead running time and reduced fleet and crew availability that would occur if Tangara trains were maintained elsewhere. To achieve this goal, TfNSW propose to upgrade Mortdale Maintenance Centre so that it is capable of undertaking all types of maintenance of the Tangara fleet.

The specific objectives of the upgrade of the Mortdale Maintenance Centre are to:
• maintain a single fleet type on the T4 Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line
• reduce dead running of fleet on the T4 Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line by removing the need for all Tangara trains to travel to the Hornsby Maintenance Centre or Flemington Maintenance Centre for bogie exchanges
• ensure the Mortdale Maintenance Centre is capable of performing bogie exchange maintenance activities for the Tangara fleet
• increase the efficiency of Sydney Trains maintenance capabilities
• optimise the performance of the T4 Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line


https://yoursay.transport.nsw.gov.au/mtms-waterfall

Waterfall Stabling Yard and Platform Extension Project

At Waterfall, TfNSW have identified the following specific needs:
• provision of a stabling yard for ten additional 8-car suburban trains. These additional trains are required to provide additional peak period services on the T4 line, particularly during the morning peak. This additional stabling requirement brings with it the need for additional staff facilities, including the proposed staff footbridge and amenities building
• extension of the existing station platform to allow new 10-car intercity trains to stop at the station for operational and emergency reasons
• extension of the existing freight loop. At present this loop is too short to accommodate the full range of freight trains that operate on the T4 line. The extension of this loop would allow all freight trains to stop in the loop and be overtaken by faster Intercity South Coast services in the city bound direction. This would facilitate improvements to off-peak passenger services on both the T4 Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra, and South Coast lines.
• ensure the Waterfall stabling yard upgrade is operational by 2021


https://yoursay.transport.nsw.gov.au/mtms-wollongong

Wollongong Stabling Yard and Platform Extension Project

Additional stabling at the Wollongong Stabling Yard is needed to support the introduction of the 10-car NIF trains and future operations of the South Coast Line. The Wollongong Stabling Yard is required to stable up to eight 10-car NIF trains. The current configuration of the Wollongong Stabling Yard would only accommodate four 10-car NIF trains.
As noted in Section 1, 10-car NIF trains are longer than the current eight-car Oscar trains and Platforms 1 and 2 at Wollongong Station need to be extended by about nine metres to the south so that all doors of a 10-car NIF train, including the driver’s door, would open to a platform to allow all customers and the driver to egress. Also, amalgamation and division of four and six car units to form and divide a 10-car NIF train is required at Wollongong Station. An extension of the platforms at Wollongong Station is required to meet this operational requirement and to enable formation and division of 10-car NIF trains.
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Re: More Trains, More Services | Signalling Upgrades

Postby boxythingy » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:18 pm

boronia wrote:This photo was taken 5 years ago, and show how close trains were apart at middle of the day on a week day. There wern't any significant delays at the time
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Wasn't the approaching train going into Central platform 22? Noting Platform 22 and 23 trains share the same tracks coming out from Museum Station
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Re: More Trains, More Services | Signalling Upgrades

Postby boronia » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:22 am

How would it get to P22 from there?
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