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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby pgt » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:26 pm

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Campbelltown busboy wrote:Cut the 959 and run the Bald Face loop as a part of the 970 in both directions
The 959 Bald Face loop is actually quite well patronised,especially at peak hour.It deserves its place as a separate and distinct service.
By combining it with 970/971 would considerably lengthen trip times .12-14 minutes on average.Although the vast bulk of the 970/971 patronage is generated from Hurstville-Tom Ugly's Bridge.
In days gone by when John O'Nains operated the 959 under the Carss Park Bus Service trading name the 959 generated peak hour loadings of 25-40 pax per trip.Very impressive figures for a short route.He operated it on 30 minute peak/60 minute peak frequencies.He had very friendly ,customer focussed drivers which were key in the pax figures.
Under Southtrans/Veolia/Transdev ownership it has dropped away from those figures but it is still well patronised.15-20 pax average.
I used to live on the 959 loop route and agree with what burrumbus is saying.

When the operator was branded Connex (a name not mentioned yet), they tried merging the off peak and Saturday services with the then-hourly 971 (which ran in the reverse direction through the loop), and oddly tried to introduce Sunday service through Bald Face loop by merging it with route 970 [as they had that short-lived "Connextor" route which basically merged the 971, the then 948 and 962] - don't recall it doing that well overall [especially for running times], as they split it back into individual routes and dropped the Sunday service through Bald Face since then.

I believe another issue with trying to merge the 959 was at the Blakehurst Shops end - when running the route clockwise, there would be stops that are missed which the normal 959 route would stop at, plus the missed stops on the Princes Highway (they were trying to keep a consistent 15 minute frequency Sylvania Southgate to Hurstville, and diverting even one of the two 970 or 971 buses would throw this out quite badly).
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:00 pm

The T80 should be renumbered to B2 or any number in the 824-834 range
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby Richard290 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:08 pm

830 seems a reasonable candidate if T80 is ever renumbered in the similar way that T70-75 were renumbered 730-735 in May. 800, 810, 820, 840, 850, 870, 880 and 890 are all in use for other routes.
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:08 pm

Richard290 wrote:830 seems a reasonable candidate if T80 is ever renumbered in the similar way that T70-75 were renumbered 730-735 in May. 800, 810, 820, 840, 850, 870, 880 and 890 are all in use for other routes.
840,850 and 870 are region 2 routes and 880 and 890 are long time region 15 routes with the 890 dating back to 1985 with Campbelltown Transit giving 890 to the unaltered Campbelltown-Appin run from 1925 system route 93
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:10 pm

Will Transdev need to renumber their metrobus routes anytime soon and if that happens what would the numbers be I'm thinking that Transport For NSW will give permission for Transdev to renumber the Parramatta loop shuttle and transfer the M90 back to route 900 then there are the other 2 that can be renumbered with any free route number combos in the 9xx series of route numbers
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby rogf24 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:46 pm

If you're going for a B renumbering of T80, wouldn't B8 make more sense?

As for M9x, renumbering is inevitable, but please, I would like to see later services.
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Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby Richard290 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:36 am

The Parramatta-Bankstown via South Granville section of current route M91 was originally 910 prior to February 2011, with the route being merged with the Bankstown-Hurstville 948 to form the current M91. I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole route would revert back to 910 come the eventual opening of the Bankstown Metro.
As for M92, it could be renumbered 920 as the number 920 is currently unused.
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby boronia » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:02 am

The original Metrobus routes were 10, 20, 30 etc (no M prefix).

Why can't they revert back to this system? M91 becomes just 91?
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby swtt » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:06 am

boronia wrote:The original Metrobus routes were 10, 20, 30 etc (no M prefix).

Why can't they revert back to this system? M91 becomes just 91?


m41 should've then just been "41" :P
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:37 pm

swtt wrote:
boronia wrote:The original Metrobus routes were 10, 20, 30 etc (no M prefix).

Why can't they revert back to this system? M91 becomes just 91?


m41 should've then just been "41" :P
Well this would have been the same for the M60
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby Fleet Lists » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:28 pm

Would be against the three digit route number structure used in Sydney.
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby iamthouth » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:44 pm

Two digit numbers are used in the Outer Metro and Rural/Regional routes, but three digit for Sydney metro.
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:16 pm

My original reply on this issue was a question about what would happen when Transport For NSW eventually tells Transdev to renumber metrobus routes M90,M91 and M92
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby Fleet Lists » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:50 pm

I think that has been truely answered.
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Re: Remnant routes that can be rationalised

Postby moa999 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:51 pm

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