Remnant routes that can be rationalised

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718 and 743 should be joined up, and numbered 718.
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rogf24 wrote:
Fleet Lists wrote:T2 is not much better going totally different ways.
Actually, especially once the 2017 timetable is implemented, the T2 is going to be very clear. Leppington --> via Granville --> City Circle --> via Airport (or Sydenham) --> Macarthur.
Well I suppose that's a start, for then only from Glenfield will T2 trains go in completely different directions to the City.

However if you told a newbie to catch a T2 train from the City to get to their destination, they could still end up completely lost.
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All the Bronte to Railway Square 440s could have remained 378. 440 could just apply to through-routed buses running the whole length between Rozelle and Bronte.


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Richard290 wrote:All the Bronte to Railway Square 440s could have remained 378. 440 could just apply to through-routed buses running the whole length between Rozelle and Bronte.
That'd confuse the punters!
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Might as well run the 370 down Parramatta Rd from Leichhardt avoids the snarl of Glebe point Road might actually improve on time running.
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Wouldn't that defeat the entire point of the Leichardt end of route?
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The 463 is another one of such services. There are some 502s that start from Bayview Park.

But at such a dismal 2 hr frequency, is it not worth diverting the 466 closer to Bayview Park instead of running this stupidly infrequent service?

(Catch M41 for a faster ride to Concord!)
There are a very limited amount of 466 services that divert to Bayview Park, both the timetable and map do not display or make any mention of this. I'll have to do some digging and find the details of these trips.
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Route 466 - Bayview Park diversion.

466-OUT.
07:00 ex Enfield to Cabarita Whf.
07:32 ex Burwood Stn to Cabarita Whf.

466-IN.
16:52 ex Cabarita Whf to Ashfield Stn.
18:08 ex Cabarita Whf to Burwood Stn.

Message for the driver displayed on the shift: OPAL card holders are to have their ticket recognised for travel to and from Cabarita Wharf and Bayview Park area in both directions.
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For Region 4, I'd split route 603 into two routes.
603-Castle Hill to Parramatta via East Baulkham Hills
643- Castle Hill to Rouse Hill Town Centre via Glenhaven and North Kellyville.
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Why???
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The route is toooooooooooooooooooooooo long! Besides, if it's cut in half, then the services that warrant higher frequency and time of day can be adjusted accordingly
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Stu wrote:Route 466 - Bayview Park diversion.

466-OUT.
07:00 ex Enfield to Cabarita Whf.
07:32 ex Burwood Stn to Cabarita Whf.

466-IN.
16:52 ex Cabarita Whf to Ashfield Stn.
18:08 ex Cabarita Whf to Burwood Stn.

Message for the driver displayed on the shift: OPAL card holders are to have their ticket recognised for travel to and from Cabarita Wharf and Bayview Park area in both directions.
what, BDC doesn't have stops for Bayview Park area? That message is a bit weird
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For Region 10 - I'd curtail route 962 to run only between Padstow and Sutherland, as much of its route mirrors the route of the M92. I'd eliminate the portion of route 962 between Sutherland and Cronulla as it largely parallels the Cronulla branch of the T4 Line.
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Also, for Region 4, I'd eliminate route 708, it seems to be a rare service with a convoluted routing that largely overlaps several bus routes in the Westmead, Wentworthville and Pendle Hill areas.
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Richard290 wrote:For Region 4, I'd split route 603 into two routes.
603-Castle Hill to Parramatta via East Baulkham Hills
643- Castle Hill to Rouse Hill Town Centre via Glenhaven and North Kellyville.
gilberations wrote:The route is toooooooooooooooooooooooo long! Besides, if it's cut in half, then the services that warrant higher frequency and time of day can be adjusted accordingly
From a limited number of observations I have seen people staying on board and through-riding Castle Hill.

Anyway, nothing stops you adding short runners if one end needs a higher frequency.
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Xplorer wrote:
Stu wrote:Route 466 - Bayview Park diversion.

466-OUT.
07:00 ex Enfield to Cabarita Whf.
07:32 ex Burwood Stn to Cabarita Whf.

466-IN.
16:52 ex Cabarita Whf to Ashfield Stn.
18:08 ex Cabarita Whf to Burwood Stn.

Message for the driver displayed on the shift: OPAL card holders are to have their ticket recognised for travel to and from Cabarita Wharf and Bayview Park area in both directions.
what, BDC doesn't have stops for Bayview Park area? That message is a bit weird
Definatley weird. Each trip has an individual route variant number that indicates that the service operates via Bayview Park. I'm certain that the bdc does have those stops available for each of the respective trips. I'll check tomorrow and report back.
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Richard290 wrote:For Region 10 - I'd curtail route 962 to run only between Padstow and Sutherland, as much of its route mirrors the route of the M92. I'd eliminate the portion of route 962 between Sutherland and Cronulla as it largely parallels the Cronulla branch of the T4 Line.
I agree with that, although I think you'd have to keep it between Sutherland and Miranda for Gymea TAFE and Westfield shoppers.

I'd also merge the 973 (Yowie Bay loop) with the 993, given the 993 is already so under patronised between Miranda and Sutherland anyway.
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Richard290 wrote:For Region 10 - I'd curtail route 962 to run only between Padstow and Sutherland, as much of its route mirrors the route of the M92. I'd eliminate the portion of route 962 between Sutherland and Cronulla as it largely parallels the Cronulla branch of the T4 Line.
That was the plan when the M92 was introduced but it fell by the wayside after the change of government soon afterwards.

However the 962 extension to Cronulla on the weekends was introduced to give a direct service to the beach from the Menai/Bangor area and has nothing to do with paralleling the rail line.
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Fleet Lists wrote:
Richard290 wrote:For Region 10 - I'd curtail route 962 to run only between Padstow and Sutherland, as much of its route mirrors the route of the M92. I'd eliminate the portion of route 962 between Sutherland and Cronulla as it largely parallels the Cronulla branch of the T4 Line.
That was the plan when the M92 was introduced but it fell by the wayside after the change of government soon afterwards.

However the 962 extension to Cronulla on the weekends was introduced to give a direct service to the beach from the Menai/Bangor area and has nothing to do with paralleling the rail line.
How much more time would it cost the M92 to extend all the way to Miranda?
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Certainly not much if it replaced the 962 which would make some sense.
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Fleet Lists wrote:Certainly not much if it replaced the 962 which would make some sense.
...and there's almost no point in dragging the M92 across to Cronulla I presume, with sufficiently frequent trains.
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Except for the point I made before. But I agree there seems very little purpose in it.
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Fleet Lists wrote:Except for the point I made before. But I agree there seems very little purpose in it.
So if some layman like myself can think of it, I'm wondering why TfNSW has yet to act? :( It's now been almost 7 years since M92 commenced operations....
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For Region 12 - I'd do the following:

Combine routes 573 and 589 into one route. So it goes Hornsby Station > Pacific Hwy > Pennant Hills Rd > Thornleigh Station > Comenarra Pkwy > Fox Valley > Sydney Adventist Hospital > Fox Valley Rd > Turramurra Station

Clean up 572's routing through South Turramurra - add some limited 571s to cover and reconfigure the network to untangle 572's convoluted route through the area. Looking at a network map and the TfNSW timetable - the route seems difficult for the average person to understand.
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jake_s_258 wrote:I'd also merge the 973 (Yowie Bay loop) with the 993, given the 993 is already so under patronised between Miranda and Sutherland anyway.
Then you'd have a route with a loop at both ends and no layover point.
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