ALNOR BODY MO 1

[Bedford-29]

Did anyone read this on fleet lists. http://fleetlists.busaustralia.com/nsw.php?info=ABC

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Yes.

[Linto63]

N&W operated about 12 ex MTT Worldmasters. By the late 1980s 4 remained, 7637 in N&W livery and 3 in the 765x series in HHBC colours. 7637 had previously been registered 139 and one of the others 204, these plates being transferred to Tigers in 1988. Recall that the HHBC liveried examples were withdrawn in about 1992, while 7637 hung on until 1995ish and was sold for preservation.

Fairly sure the picture above is at Northwood Wharf, which was on routes 261 and 530. Certainly not a regular Greenwich Ferry service as route 99 had passed to State Transit by the time of the 1990 route renumbering. Judging by the freshly painted wheels and tyres on both vehicles, am guessing it was some sought of special event, possibly an enthusiasts charter.

It’s possible that the chassis under 312/001/628 was ex the Sydney. Toongabbie Transport, that had the same owner as Alnor, having had 10 ex Urban Transit Authority examples bodied by Custom Coaches in 1981/82, so perhaps the chassis was from this source. Or perhaps it was another ex N&W Worldmaster, some of these were replaced by Leopards in the early 1980s.

[Bedford-29]

Linto the chassis number in fleet lists is for MTT Adelaide 835 that was sold to Hunters Hill Coaches in 1973 which became m/o-4576 then m/o-7656 then the chassis ended up being rebodied by Alnor.The Worldmaster mentioned in fleet lists is ex MTT Adelaide 834,Bowman`s Bus Service 21,STA 7121 the chassis number is 571283 and this bus must of stayed in Adelaide.

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But it could not have been rebodied in 1983 when it is supposed to have been reregistered from m/o 4576 to m/o 7656 in 1987 - you are missing that point. I think what Linto63 is suggesting is more likely.

[Linto63]

Just to clarify the 76xx series plates were issued in 1986/87. This was at a time when plates were issued in a more sequential order than today. So the 1983 Alnor bodied unit could not have been 7656 ex 4576 ex MTT 835.

Found this from 2002 suggesting that the Alnor chassis was 834, https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ ... sages/5387 and this stating MTT 7121 was ex Bowmans 21 ex MTT 834 http://www.users.on.net/~wisp/TESSA/MTT ... wBuses.pdf so would appear the Alnor chassis was ex 834.

[Bedford-29]

And why has the Alnor got MTT Adelaide 385 Hunters Hill Coaches m/o-4576,m/o-7656 chassis number in fleet lists then if its MTT Adelaide 834 chassis its number should be 571283

[Swift]

N&W operated about 12 ex MTT Worldmasters. By the late 1980s 4 remained, 7637 I in N&W livery and 3 in the 765x series in HHBC colours. 7637 had previously been registered 139 and one of the others 204, these plates being transferred to Tigers in 1988. Recall that the HHBC liveried examples were withdrawn in about 1992, while 7637 hung on until 1995ish and was sold for preservation.

Oh boy, questions questions.
I believe Ken Butt was behind the decision to purchase these ex Adelaide Worldmasters in 1973 for school work.
I have seen pics from the 1980s of them in regular route service. To what extent were they used that way?
Were they initially used exclusively on school work, later deployed on routes as spares or were they actually used like the other buses for both school and route duties full time?
Do you have any idea if the first batch of withdrawn units found further service with other operators or scrapped, cannibalised for spares or sold as campers/ non-PSV use?? Thankyou.

[1whoknows]

The facts.

STA/ Bowmans Worldmasters 7120 and 7121 were both sold to Parramatta Ryde Bus Service. 7120 was rebodied by P-R as m/o 5885. 7121 was rebodied by Alnor as body no 001 for South Western. Neither of them was ever at HHBC/ North & Western.

Alnor built a further four new bodies, all school buses, as well as the various ex govvie Leopard rebuilds.

No 002 was new 8/4/84 on a Leyland Terrier for an operator at Gilgandra (Caff then later Owens) as MO 9881.

No 003 was a Hino BX341E new 6/84 as MO 0516 for Smith of Galore.

No 004 was Domineo P/L Mudgee MO 1736 Hino BX341E new 8/84.

The final bus - body 005 was MO 9967 an Isuzu ECR570 for Cannard of Lake Cargelligo new 31/1/85.

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So the fleet list needs updating!!!!

[burrumbus]

Just a slight correction to 1whoknows excellent facts.The first operator at Gilgandra was M.A.Gaff on the Jugga Road school contract..
To Swift,N & W did use the ex MTT Worldmasters in full shift route service from 1973.Leon Manny's book on Lane Cove bus services showed this.Over time they were downgraded ,with new deliveries arriving, to school buses ,then as they dwindled to spares.I'm reasonably sure the N & W Worldmasters never were sold for further service.
I never rode on N & W's Worldmasters,but I did ride on Grendas,Ventura's and the Ventura's that operated for Ray Neal's Allways Bus Service at Hurstville.Just superb vehicles.
Hope this helps.

[exbusdriver]

I can confirm this was sold by myself to a production company on the Gold Coast. I just cannot remember his name. Sold as per fleet disposal date.

[VIKing]

North and Western /o 240, a Worldmaster ex MTT 851 was deregistered when a new PMC bodied Leopard was delivered in 1978. The motor (at least) removed and it was sold to Parramatta Bus Company (Bosnjaks) where it was fitted with another engine and registered for further use as m/o 4394.

[Swift]

Why did they replace with a bus that was for all intents, the same level of technology and with a body that was no more amenable to passengers than the 1958 model?
Plus, there was no fleet age restriction in 1978!!
Was that the bus that was the final unit delivered new in Hunters Hill Bus Company colours, even though it had already changed to North & Western Bus Lines when they took delivery of it?

[ATAK]

I own the 8/84 hino Alnor body. Now a motorhome.

[Swift]

Hinos seem to be a popular choice for motor-homing. Like Bedfords before them, their basic robust mechanicals play in their favour. Made in Japan (chassis) further enhances it, so super reliable. They are often refererred to as modern day Bedfords for a reason.

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m/o 7656 Leyland Royal Tiger Worldmaster CRT2/1 571285 Freighter Lawton 6/12/57 B46D
ex m/o 4576 (plate swap with Leyland Tiger early-1987); ex Hunters Hill Bus Company, Gladesville m/o 4576 28/4/78; ex Metropolitan Transport Trust (MTT), Adelaide, SA (835) -/73.
Dereg by early 1992 & presumed scrapped.

ABC Coach Lines - Alexandria
Registration m/o 001
Chassis Type Leyland Worldmaster CRT2/1
Chassis No 571285
Body Manufacturer Alnor
Body No 001
Body Date 9/83
Seating Codes B57F
Notes ex m/o 312; ex South Western Coach Lines, Alexandria m/o 312 2/86; ex m/o 7378 (Reg -/84 at Revesby depot after being stored u/r at Alexandria); Rebody ex STA, Adelaide, SA (7121).
Sold at auction 10/4/89 to G Kerr, Cessnock as MO 1045, then to Sugar Valley Coachlines Pty Ltd (Spencer Ross), Edgeworth as (10) m/o 628, then to Toronto Bus Service t/a Sugar Valley Coachlines, Edgeworth 17/3/98 - Renumbered m/o 7189 by 10/02 & withdrawn for sale 1/03.


Now I used the chassis number to find out where the chassis came from as I have pdf fleet list of MTT & STA buses past & present 712 is a AEC Regal IV

I have split the two quotes which both show the same chassis number but there is still a date discrepancy, m/o 4576 shown as reregd m/o 7656 early 1987 while the body date of the Alnor is earlier in 1983.

Possibly the date of the rereg is incorrect. The red 7121 in the fleet list is obviously incorrect.

After all this time, I think I know what the problem was:-
I suspect the chassis number should be 571283 which according to http://tessa.wisp.fastmail.com.au/MTTST ... wBuses.pdf is ex Adelaide 7121 and hence the Alnor rebody would NOT be ex m/o 4576 which became m/o 7656 and was not scrapped until some years AFTER the Alnor was built. The 7121 would NOT be incorrect in that case.