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Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

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Re: SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby tonyp » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:39 pm

Swift wrote:The first one must be an Australian driver. :roll:

Poor drivers are universal worldwide.
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Re: SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby Swift » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:29 pm

tonyp wrote:
Swift wrote:The first one must be an Australian driver. :roll:

Poor drivers are universal worldwide.

Every country has it's specialties. Sydney's seems to be a reluctance to give way. I suspect we week see exactly what was in that footage repeated here.
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Re: SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby matthewg » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:26 pm

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tonyp wrote:Use of the bell is going to be very important.


The Citadis X05 here has the same bell as the Inner West Urbos trams...which is then the same bell as Melbournes E Class. That bell sound, I am growing quite fond of it.


That's because the engineers have decided that a horn speaker playing a recording of a bell is easier to maintain than an actual real bell!
There are even buses that use the SAME recording. They all probably use the same MP3 file they found on the Internet :-)

Should sneak and replace the bell sound file with a recording of a German/East European 'clatter gong'. That will get some attention!.

I put this in the same 'pointless use of technology' bucket as replacing rearview mirrors with cameras. Replace a passive device with a complex electronic device. (Although the camera can be recorded unlike a mirror:-)
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Re: SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby STMPainter2018 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:09 pm

tonyp wrote:It drives me crazy - like Santa Claus or an ice cream truck on steroids! I prefer the European clatter gong

I'm the opposite I think it sounds atrocious. At least the electronic gong sounds like the traditional gongs of old.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby tonyp » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:15 am

The clatter gong is a traditional gong of old! Arguably it attracts attention better because it repeats, giving it a chance to register in the brain, unlike a single bell. It's like the difference between a short toot on the horn vs a long one. The first often doesn't register but a long blast certainly does. The Canberra light rail uses an electronic equivalent of a clatter gong. German operators!
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:08 am

What about the London Underground whistle?
That would adapt well to street use.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby swtt » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:46 am

With all of the testing now happening, do we think it'll be ready by mid November for L2 to open to Randwick?

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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:52 am

I read somewhere they have to get up 2,500 km on each tram before acceptance. That's a lot of trips on a short line. I don't think they will be rushing things, in view of Metro teething problems.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Fleet Lists » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:47 pm

Last I heard in September it was sometime in December https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/few ... 52nw3.html
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:18 pm

tonyp wrote:The clatter gong is a traditional gong of old! Arguably it attracts attention better because it repeats, giving it a chance to register in the brain, unlike a single bell. It's like the difference between a short toot on the horn vs a long one. The first often doesn't register but a long blast certainly does. The Canberra light rail uses an electronic equivalent of a clatter gong. German operators!

Even an emergency vehicle with siren blaring doesn't seem to register with pedestrians here. They will cross a road in front of one.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:50 pm

Not to mention reverse buzzers. A waste of lungs some people.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:24 am

I used to drive coaches with loud reverse beepers. Sometimes while parked up in the city I would slip the box into reverse just to watch people's reaction. Most would not react at all, let alone look around, and it certainly didn't stop them from walking behind.

Beeper and reversing lights didn't stop motorists from pulling up close behind while I was moving back.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby STMPainter2018 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:20 pm

tonyp wrote:The clatter gong is a traditional gong of old! Arguably it attracts attention better because it repeats, giving it a chance to register in the brain, unlike a single bell. It's like the difference between a short toot on the horn vs a long one. The first often doesn't register but a long blast certainly does. The Canberra light rail uses an electronic equivalent of a clatter gong. German operators!

Let me rephrase that; I meant the traditional SINGLE gongs of old that most Australian trams past and present use. I'm more just more familiar with it; clatter gongs don't sound right to me. My guess is with Sydney, they're gonna be using the horns a lot more than they do the gongs. If they were smart they would've installed railway diesel horns in the trams like we have done with some of the vehicles at Loftus, instead of using a digital recording of a car horn. :lol:
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby tonyp » Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:22 pm

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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby STMPainter2018 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:42 pm

Also, I received an update from the Sydney Light Rail PR team via Messenger regarding some questions I had regarding the application of the future "2200" tram numbering, as well as traffic light priority, which as we know, has been pretty piss poor so far. Their response:
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:50 pm

Got a brochure in my letterbox today advising that testing will commence on the Kingsford branch on 9th October.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby aussiedrum » Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:15 am

HI guys First post, I have been making a few youtube videos of the light rail tram testing some of you may find interesting, my latest one Part 5 was taken on Wednesday 2nd October. I managed to get some close up footage of the cab and the connecting hitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FBfXosTnnw.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:09 pm

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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:32 am

Last night saw the first tram to operate on the Kingsford branch
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby tonyp » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:55 am

boronia wrote:Last night saw the first tram to operate on the Kingsford branch

mubd has seen it while touring the streets in his mobile disco:

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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:44 pm

^It feels like 1977 again except the cop cars aren't XC Falcons with an illuminated "police" sign on the roof.
Did I really hear a wolf whistle at the sight of the tram?
Someone's obsessed.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby moa999 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:17 pm

Fair enough. If think first runs are most at risk of derailment etc. Think they only used single sets on the other initial runs
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:44 pm

The "warnings" for the trials said trams would be running "very slowly" initially. But a poster on FB noticed them running at normal speeds. Perhaps there were multiple runs that night.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby gascoyne » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:52 pm

Frequent testing has been expanded along George St in the last few days. An interesting video, showing what can happen at Grosvenor and Bridge, is at https://youtu.be/Oa20UR0GQv0. Unusually, both trams were ready and they got the white T simultaneously which won't always happen. And then the southbound tram got blocked by traffic and needed about 60 seconds to clear the intersection.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby moa999 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:05 pm

Traffic looked like they were in the left lane.. looked more like a block of pedestrians were blocking the road ahead
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