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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

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Except the metro will be a long way from the current stairs and lifts - from the diagrams the front carriage will be at the rear of the current station building.

Surely you could still get a straight platform moving everything forward to say the front of the existing building
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If you look at platform 2 on the diagram map, the straightened section seems to end just to the south of the existing building with a little tick extending out from the existing platform.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

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rogf24 wrote:I'm sure there's a reason for it. Besides, it's not really that hard to walk from the Grand Concourse to Railway Square as an alternative. Or you could go via the existing South Concourse subway from the new metro platforms, it's not much worse than the existing access from Platform 16/17. You have to remember that this project in itself is quite expensive, increasing the scope for little gain is not ideal so it's acceptable for the moment. Piercing through Devonshire Tunnel is not ideal either.
The walk from GC to Railway Square is not undercover, which makes it unattractive if it is raining, and the "inhabitants" of the park area make it unattractive when it is not raining.

The South Subway currently ends around under Plat 4, but there are doors at the end and I suspect this was a previous route through to the Parcels Post Office. Currently, having to walk all the way from, say, Plat 4 across to Chalmers St to pick up the Devonshire St tunnel, then back to Railway Square is a bit onerous. It is a shame they have not put a small concourse at the western end of Devonshire St to allow undercover access to the bus plaza..
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

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The reasoning for no connection to the Devonshire Street Tunnel from the Metro Concourse is that to accomodate the amount of passengers that would use it ....
That is almost unbelievably pathetic.....

And it seems very strange that passengers arriving at Central on the tram from the east, have to wait for the signals to cross from the west side of Chalmers street to the east side of Chalmers, and then go down escalators there and back under to get into the station. Why can't they get into the station from the west side of Chalmers street ?
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SYDENHAM METRO PLATFORMS - ESCALATORS.
Sydenham is to be the temporary terminus for Metro. According to the displayed plans, EVERY passenger will have to negotiate stairs or lifts. Even after Metro is extended to Bankstown, Sydenham will remain a significant interchange station.
Transport for NSW's Design Guidelines for Metro, included in the Appendix document currently (July 2017) on display, state -
"All Sydney Metro platforms are to be served by escalators & lifts". (Item 4.1.4, Circulation Elements, page 67)
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

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neilrex wrote:
The reasoning for no connection to the Devonshire Street Tunnel from the Metro Concourse is that to accomodate the amount of passengers that would use it ....
That is almost unbelievably pathetic.....

And it seems very strange that passengers arriving at Central on the tram from the east, have to wait for the signals to cross from the west side of Chalmers street to the east side of Chalmers, and then go down escalators there and back under to get into the station. Why can't they get into the station from the west side of Chalmers street ?
What signals? Chalmers st will be closed to all non-light rail traffic.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

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It seems no one has posted this yet from:
https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/newsro ... etro-build

In the video on SMH the Minister announces it is a consortium of Transdev and Hillsbus who will provide the services.
Thousands of extra bus services support metro build
Published 5 Jul 2017
A $49 million investment in more than 120 new buses, extra routes and thousands of added bus services...
...will keep customers moving during the upgrade of the Epping to Chatswood line in late 2018 ahead of the start of Sydney Metro.

Minister for Transport and Infrastructure Andrew Constance said the rail upgrade would deliver a train every four minutes as part of Sydney Metro – Australia’s biggest public transport project.

During the upgrade, customers will be able to catch seven new bus routes that will connect customers to impacted stations at least every six minutes at peak times, including a dedicated shuttle service to Macquarie University.

“We’re on track for Sydney Metro Northwest, which will deliver reliable turn-up-and-go train services to North West customers when it opens in the first half of 2019,” Mr Constance said.

“We’re boosting bus services in and around the train stations from Epping to Chatswood to ensure customers can easily travel to the shops, work, study, and back home reliably and safely.

“This includes more than 30 buses in the morning peak hour from Epping to the Macquarie Park precinct and Chatswood in the peak.”

Member for Ryde Victor Dominello said delivering extra services for the booming Macquarie Park district was vital during the upgrade to Metro.

“Macquarie Park is a critical area not just for the people of Ryde but the economic strength for the people of NSW. It is essential that we deliver the infrastructure required to provide public transport for this area,” Mr Dominello said.

Member for Epping Damien Tudehope said Sydney Metro is the most important piece of infrastructure for the future of Sydney’s North West.

“The government is committed to minimising disruptions to commuters, and I welcome the announcement today of an investment in 120 new, additional buses while this essential project is delivered,” Mr Tudehope said.

To convert the existing line to Metro standards, major upgrades will include 26 kilometres of new cabling, power and signalling systems and customer improvements such as platform screen doors.

The contract for the extra services is worth $35.4 million, included in the $49 million total cost of delivering the Temporary Transport Plan.

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and here is the SMH article from http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/longer-journe ... x4z7c.html
JULY 5 2017 - 3:53PM
Longer journeys await commuters during Epping to Chatswood rail closure
Matt O'Sullivan

Thousands of commuters face journey times of at least an extra 10 minutes when buses are used to replace train services during the seven-month shutdown of the Epping-to-Chatswood rail line from late next year.

More than 120 new buses will run as often as every six minutes during peak periods, connecting stations disrupted by the conversion of the existing 13-kilometre heavy rail line, which only opened in 2009, to carry single-deck metro trains.

The conversion of the line is part of the first stage of Sydney's $20 billion-plus metro railway from Rouse Hill in the north-west to Chatswood.

NSW Transport Minister Andrew Constance urged the more than 14,000 commuters who would be affected by the closure to "bear with us", saying they would eventually experience a "transformative" service.

"It is going to be a challenge, which is why we are urging people to plan their trips," he said.

"There is very significant congestion out there [on the roads] but we will run the buses at the same time as we are investing in the infrastructure to try to assist bus movements."

As part of the changes, a shuttle bus will run between Epping and Macquarie University, as well as express and all-stop services between Epping and Chatswood.

The other new bus routes will include Beecroft to St Leonards; St Leonards to Macquarie University; Eastwood to Macquarie Park; and Epping to Macquarie Park.

The shutdown will affect an estimated 14,000 people each day.

Mr Constance said the exact date for the line's closure in the second half of next year was not likely to be made public until about a month beforehand so as not to confuse people.

The three main stations affected by the rail closure are Macquarie Park, Macquarie University and North Ryde.

Transport Minister Andrew Constance has urged commuters to be patient.

Optus, one of the largest businesses at Macquarie Park, has named the end of November 2018 as its preferred date for the shutdown because of a drop in traffic to and from Macquarie University at that time.

Mr Constance said the conversion of the Epping-Chatswood line to metro, which would include construction of glass screens on platforms, additional signalling and electrical work, was due to be completed by the middle of 2019.

That means the first stage of the metro line could open after the state election in March of that year.

The government will spend $49 million on alternative transport during the closure of the line.

Of that, $35 million will be for the contract for private bus operators Hillsbus and Transdev to provide the extra services. An extra 120 bus drivers will be hired.

CBD co-ordinator-general Marg Prendergast said commuters would probably spend at least an extra 10 minutes travelling from Epping to Sydney's CBD but exactly how much longer their journey times were likely to be would not be known until bus schedules and timetables were completed.

"We will be flexible and agile - we will cater for what we see," she said. "We are confident that we have the buses and the plan to do it."

Ms Prendergast said fares for the alternative bus services would be the same as they would be if commuters were using the rail line.

"We're coding Opal to actually be like a weekend rail close-down," she said.

Tens of thousands of commuters who travel by train between Bankstown and Sydenham each day will also be forced to catch buses for up to two months each year for five years from 2019 while the line in Sydney's west is converted to carry metro trains.

It is part of the second stage of the new metro railway, which will run from Chatswood under Sydney Harbour to the CBD, and on to Sydenham and Bankstown.

The first driverless train for the new metro railway is due to arrive in NSW in the next two months.
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Are those 120 buses going to end up as 'growth buses' in the next budget?


Perhaps they might all be deckers? :roll:
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Victoria Cross lift-only station entrance

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July 11 2017 Lift-only station entrance planned for Sydney's new $20 billion Metro train line .
Until now they've mostly been limited to large overseas cities such as Hong Kong and Barcelona. But Sydney is about to join the ranks of cities sporting a lift-only entrance to a train station.
Among a raft of modifications to the second stage of the city's $20 billion-plus metro rail line, Transport for NSW has proposed building four lifts each capable of carrying up to 27 people at the northern entrance to Victoria Cross Station at North Sydney.
What Sydney Metro means for you.
The new standalone railway will deliver 31 metro stations and more than 66 kilometres of new metro rail. It will run from Sydney's North West region under Sydney Harbour, through the CBD and beyond to the south west.
Patronage for the new underground station is forecast to reach 42,100 people a day by 2026, and 45,500 by 2036, which the government's transport agency says supports the case for a second entrance on McLaren Street for Victoria Cross.
Based on the forecast patronage, a Transport for NSW report on the proposed changes predicts a maximum queue for the lifts of 20 people and wait time of 21 seconds when all four are in operation.
In the event a lift is out of service, it forecasts a maximum wait of 48 seconds.
Almost one-fifth of the people passing through Victoria Cross are expected to use the lifts at the northern entrance to get to the station's platforms about 31 metres below the surface. The main entrance via a pedestrian plaza to Miller, Denison and Berry streets will have escalators to the station below.
Transport for NSW cited lift-only entrances on Hong Kong's MTR Line, and at metro train stations in Barcelona and Washington DC, as examples of them being "highly functional and ... intuitive for customers".
It will be the first lift-only entrance to a passenger train station in Australia.
An artist's impression of the northern entrance to the new station at North Sydney.
The agency's report said the additional entrance at Victoria Cross would provide better access for people from nearby schools and Mater Hospital.
As part of the modifications, the entrance will be incorporated into a three-storey services building, which will be relocated to McLaren Street from Miller Street. The building will house an electrical substation.
If the modifications to the project gain approval, Transport for NSW said two buildings on Miller Street – 194 and 196A – originally acquired for the services building would be offered back to the previous owners at the market value at the time of their purchase, as required under legislative changes that come into effect in March.
The Victoria Cross Station is due to be completed by late 2022, and is one of six new stations on the second section of the line from Chatswood to Sydenham via Sydney's CBD, and onto Bankstown.
The first stage of the metro line from Rouse Hill in Sydney's north-west to Chatswood is scheduled to be operational by the first half of 2019, the year of the next state election.
Other proposed changes for the metro line include building a large stabling and maintenance yard at Sydenham. The main stabling yard for the driverless single-deck trains is under construction at Rouse Hill.
The new nine-hectare yard at Sydenham is planned for a site less than a kilometre from the station, bound by Sydney Steel and Edinburgh roads. It will eventually be able to accommodate 20 eight-car trains.
A report on the modifications also reveals that the Chatswood to Sydenham section of the new line could be opened months before the final part of the line onto Bankstown is completed. The entire metro line is due to to be finished by 2024.
An environmental impact statement for converting a 13-kilometre stretch of the Bankstown Line for the metro railway is due to be released within the coming months.
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Cost of new metro west line to top $12.5b
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liftonly-stat ... x6v6a.html, with 48 comments.
* I am loving the distraction provided by Transport in promoting shiny new things for the public to get excited about.
There is complete silence about the fact that this you beaut metro will not have a station in Alexandria - which along with Green Square is swiftly growing to one of the most densely populated areas in Sydney.
There will be nearly a 5km gap between Waterloo and Sydenham, which for a mass transit metro line is absurd and the stupidity, lack of foresight and planning beggars belief.
Let's get this right the first time people please!
* 1) 8 (eight) carriage train only....
2) Just add 2 more carriages per train would lift capacity by 25% without the need to increase service frequency or transforming to Metro type single decker carriages with more frequency. More frequent services like Metro style would mean higher likelihood of delays. Single decker means less capacity and people need to stand far longer with lower comfort and safety.
3) 2 extra carriages only need platform extensions in major stations. The bulk of stations would just need to move signal posts but keep their 8 carriage length platforms. Passengers just need to work out WHICH END of train they should catch to get off their local stations. This would be much cheaper and more reliable solution to Metro type services.
4) Long term, capacity increase could NOT be met by higher frequency anyway that Metro services seem to suggest. Capacity increase could only be met up more carriages, short term and long term.
5) The Lib/Nat government is obsessed with Metro services so they could privatise the running of rail to the private sector which needs tax-payer subsidies anyway. Why? NO suburban rail services anywhere in the world are profitable at all.
6) The only exception is Eastern Japan Rail which BOUGHT all the lands for its tracks and stations well before WW Two. However, their rail operation have always made losses but they earn their profits from the rental incomes of the commercial spaces they own along their lines. So why is that we want to subsidise private operator running our rail network at all for Sydney network?
7) The NW Metro will be a white elephant and the services frequency will be cut by half soon enough due to low patronage. So what's the point of Metro style services?
* Crazy. you have to keep that many people moving not waiting for a lift then getting into it and then waiting for it to stop. better having escalators. That will move things a lot faster. have a lift for the disabled and elderly.
* It has 2 entrances, four-fifths of the people are expected to use the escalators at the southern entrance. This is also the reason you can't use Double Deck carriages, they are too heavy and could not rise from under the Harbour at a steep enough grade to get to this station depth, the station would have to be even deeper with DDs requiring lifts for all entrances.
* There are escalators at the other entrance..
* All the whingers who complain about the metro being single deck and that there is some vast conspiracy to eliminate double deck carriages need to read this over and over. If double-deck had been used on the new metro, the stations would have to be much further underground, pushing up costs and making evacuation difficult. As it is, Tangaras can't climb the hill from Lane Cove up to Chatswood on the current link
* Double deck carriages are great for intercity and outer suburban services. They are basically cattle trucks where very large numbers of passengers can sit for an hour or more.
However in nearly all inner city "metro" style services throughout the world single deckers are used because you can rapidly shift large numbers of passengers in and out of a single deck.
The "dwell" time at a platform is a crucial element in designing high frequency inner city trains.
* Covent Garden in London was lift only when I was last there ... at least there are also escalators in place here.
* They better make lifts that can fit 100 people.
Takes too long to fill them.
* Why doesn't the government use the extra few months and add a new station for Erskineville/Alexandria residents? Erskineville/Alexandria will be the most densely populated suburbs in the country by 2022 and this dumb government is missing the chance to add badly needed public transport capacity to the area.
* you must have a short memory, building something is better than building absolutely nothing at all, if you remember the previous 12 years of Labor governments
* Madness! Recipe for peak-hour chaos.
* Not really - the other entrance has escalators.
* Yes. It will all work exactly as the government and their corporate mates are promising. Just like always.
* dont trust the people that employ 3 out of 4 Australians, but you trust the government implicitly? or maybe just a different form of government? but they are all beholden to someone aren't they Truffles, you just need to make a decision, do i back the party in bed with Unions or Business, i suggest the answer is obvious
* Well, it's beyond me, @the fat man. How do you possibly conclude from my post here, or any of the thousands of other posts I've made on this site, that I "trust the government implicitly"?
As for the choice between the representatives of workers and the peddlers of corporate greed, yes, I agree. The choice is obvious.
* It'll work better than Labor's Chatswood to Parra....ummm, sorry, Epping rail link does where some trains can't even get up the hill at the Chatswood end.
* "a maximum queue for the lifts of 20 people and wait time of 21 seconds when all four are in operation.
In the event a lift is out of service, it forecasts a maximum wait of 48 seconds."
* I'd like to put some serious folding stuff on those predictions not being accurate in reality.
* Yup, especially considering how long peopel take to get in & out of lifts as they hold doors open & people stop the doors closing jumping in at the last second etc etc.
It will be like trains at platforms. Lift arrives with 20 people on board. There will be twenty people waiting, standing randomly in front of the doors ; then the usual bun fight as people try to exit and enter simultaneously.
* Evacuation for fire or other emergency? Vandalism of lifts? They'd want to be a hell of a lot faster than current lifts on stations!
27 people per lift - 108 people at a time!
If they are all working (I know now they rarely will be!)
* Has Workplace Health & Safety passed this? What happens when the lifts fail and people have to get out in a hurry? Fire, gas, flooding are all possibilities.
* There are escalators at the other entrance. It's in the article.
* End of the world clearly - wait 21 seconds for a lift and then at most 4 minutes for a train....
What a ridiculously misleading headline - no doubt designed to fire up the anti-Metro brigade. The main entrance used, by your own estimate, by 80% of people will have escalators so this is only the secondary entrance anyway. Something only mentioned as a passing comment in paragraph 6.
Besides, aren't there studies that reckon multiple lifts are actually quicker on average than escalators? Although I agree it never feels like that in practice.
* The last thing the anti-metro brigade needs is firing up. We are fired up already. Starting with the overselling of the alleged advantage of single deck trains and the refusal to bore tunnels big enough to take large trains.
If only the current mob had half the foresight of John Bradfield, but his city station platforms could have been more generous. Will this lesson alone have been learnt in the new plans.
* were you expecting people to read beyond the first 3 paragraphs before making a comment? In this day & age? Who has the ti...
* If the escalators are the type that do not have treads that would be intelligent, however commonsense has not been a strong point in this Government.
* the irony of your comment is that had the government built the tunnels for double decker trains, the stations would have needed to be much further below ground, meaning more cost, more elevator-only access all for the supposed benefit of allowing slow-to-unload double-decker trains use the line.
* What difference does it make if the escalators have treads or not? And what is an escalator without treads anyway? I've never seen one.
* Is it truly ironic that Redfern station still doesn't have lift access and here is Transport for NSW planning a lift only station.
Also, why in 21st Sydney are we naming a station after a dead British monarch? Don't we have our on identity?
* Read the article: It is not a lift-only station, just a separate lift-only entrance to the station.
Redfern doesn't have lifts because there is no room on most of the platforms to put them
* It's named after the location. What should they have called it - North Sydney 2 - Electric Boogaloo?
* I've been in Hong Kong for 20 years and I don't know a single MTR station that is lift only. Most have 4-6 entrances linked by escalators, stairs and tunnels. They are going to need much larger 50 people lifts to move the numbers, and you can bet 1 or 2 will always be out of action.
* And I grew up in London and several inner city Tube stations are still lift-only. What is your point?
* How small our world is - London has had many lift-only stations for over 100 years. In the small area I'm familiar with I can think of Holloway Road, Caledonian Road, Russell Square, Covent Garden and Angel (until its refurb in 1992). If Covent Garden can cope, any station in Sydney can.
* Wow, lift only access at a city station? Who would have thought? No mention of the massive, community destroying modifications to the size of the high rise developments along the route between Sydenham and Bankstown?
* You didn't read the article either. And what is the connection between these two issues?
* Needs a slight extension through, Yagoona, Birrong, Regents Park, Berala, Lidcombe and a return loop through Olympic Park. Most of the track already there, new underground station at Lidcombe. Provision also needed at Bankstown for extension to Liverpool
* My experience has been that the number of people a lift is licenced to carry exceeds the number of adults who can fit in it.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

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Submissions on Central Walk close in two weeks; 2 August 2017.

A pedestrian tunnel between the southern end of the Metro concourse and Henry Dean Plaza is essential to minimise walk-up times to and from the precincts west of the station.

Transport for NSW boasts about the proposed provision of state-of-the-art technology to keep customers connected at all stages of their journey. It should be a condition of approval of this Application that a satisfactory level of paper-based information also be provided.

(The Legislative Assembly Committee on Community Services, in its December 2016 Report, said, in Recommendation No. 11, “That Transport for NSW publish travel information in paper format. It should be in locations where it is easily available to people who do not have access to
online information, such as community centres and doctors’ surgeries in rural and regional areas.”
The NSW Government, in its response dated April 2017, supported the Committee's recommendations.)

Central's Metro platforms should be integrated with the existing rail system to the maximum extent possible to make travel, and especially interchange, easy for passengers. To that end, the “Metro” branding should be dropped completely. The Metro line should become “Line T10” or whatever. The metro platforms should be numbered sequentially with the existing platforms as befits their physical position, even if this means re-numbering some existing platforms. Service information and wayfinding would be greatly simplified for passengers.

As a further Modification (as distinct from this one) to the current planning approval, the Central Metro platforms should be “stacked”, one above the other, to allow for "cross-platform, same-direction" interchange with Metro West, if and when it happens to pass through Central.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

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Melbourne ups the design stakes.
http://metrotunnel.vic.gov.au/library/designs
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

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grog wrote:
What signals? Chalmers st will be closed to all non-light rail traffic.
You can be pretty sure that some safety correctard will insist that pedestrians wait two minutes for a light, even if the road is closed and no trams are anywhere in sight.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

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I highly doubt there will be lights for pedestrians.
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Re: NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

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The search box isn't finding these in the thread.

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May 11 2016 Central Station commuters bear brunt of disruptions from metro line construction .
Commuters using Central Station – the state's busiest – will face the greatest disruption from the construction starting next year of a $12.5 billion metro train line under Sydney's CBD.
The new line – the first under central Sydney since the construction of the Eastern Suburbs line in the 1970s – is expected to significantly reduce crowding for commuters using existing stations such as Wynyard and Town Hall when it opens in 2024.
More videos Sydney Metro to deliver new stations.
New rail stations will be built at Crows Nest, Victoria Cross, Central, Waterloo, Martin Place, Pitt St and Barangaroo under the Sydney Metro rail project.
But analysis released on Wednesday for the project also details the disruption during the construction of the metro line.
It shows the closure of platforms 13, 14 and 15 – serving the south coast and Central Coast – for construction of the new line is likely to require changes to the timetable for suburban and country trains.
NSW Premier Mike Baird, left, and Transport Minister Andrew Constance at Martin Place Station on Wednesday. Photo: Daniel Munoz Tracks used by Sydney Trains and NSW Trains are also likely to be needed for an extended period of time, which will require "alternative bus services" to be put on for commuters.
The so-called track possessions at Central will be needed to allow for construction of a temporary pedestrian overbridge and changes around platforms.
However, Transport Minister Andrew Constance described the construction as akin to "keyhole surgery" and said it would be less disruptive than work on Sydney's $2.1 billion light rail line.
"It's a project which is largely underground, causing minimal disruption, but it is going to obviously be a tough build," he said.
"I can assure you, after the experience with light rail, we can do anything."
The government has put a price tag of between $11.5 billion and $12.5 billion on the second stage of the metro project. It is higher than the preliminary costing released two years ago of between $9.5 billion and $11 billion because, the government said, new stations at Crows Nest, Barangaroo and Waterloo had been added to the plan.
"There is additional cost that comes as part of that but I think that is the right thing for the city, right thing for the project," Premier Mike Baird said.
Mr Baird said more than 6000 people would be working on the project at the peak of construction, which would be "an absolute boost to the local economy".
The final cost of stage two would be released in a business case due shortly.
"We have an upper and lower limit ... and we will be landing somewhere between them," Mr Constance said.
Labor's transport spokeswoman, Jodi McKay, said the government needed to guarantee that the cost of the project did not blow out beyond the existing price tag.
"This is heading in the same direction as WestConnex [the motorway project in Sydney, which is now costing $16.8 billion]," she said.
Work on the metro line will overlap for two years with the construction of the light rail line along George Street in the CBD to Randwick and Kensington. The latter is due for completion in 2019.
Demolition of 19 buildings – some as high as 22 storeys – in the CBD for the metro stations will begin in early 2017, before construction ramps up later in the year.
In total, 150 properties will be acquired for the second stage of the metro project. The cost of acquisitions is included in the latest estimate of the project.
Five giant boring machines are due to begin tunnelling by the end of 2018 on the line that will run from Chatswood in the north, and under Sydney Harbour and the CBD, to Sydenham in the south.
Work on the new stations for the metro line at Martin Place and Pitt Street is expected to lead to "minor delays to travel times" for bus services on Elizabeth and Castlereagh streets, documents show.
Martin Place will also be closed to pedestrians between Castlereagh and Elizabeth streets for six months. However, a new pathway will allow people to walk between the two streets.
The government will not release until early next year an environmental impact statement for the extension of the metro line from Sydenham to Bankstown.
The start of the conversion in 2018 of the Bankstown Line to allow it to carry metro trains will require the closure of the existing line for more than six months, forcing thousands of commuters to catch buses.
Sydney Metro project director Rodd Staples said the construction required in the CBD was "really akin to a lot of the high-rise developments going on in the city".
"We want to keep all of our train services going," he said.
The new line would result in the creation of "another Central" at Martin Place where commuters could hop off suburban trains and onto the driverless metro trains.
"People really won't feel the difference. They will just get off one train and get onto another train," he said.
The first stage of the metro line from Cudgegong Road in the northwest to Chatswood is due to open in 2019 at a cost of $8.3 billion.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/central-stati ... osdlc.html

February 28 2017 Extent of Sydney's Bankstown Line closure revealed in government report.
Commuters face the closure of Sydney's Bankstown Line for up to two months each year for five years from 2019 and more than the usual number of shut downs at weekends to allow for construction of a new multibillion-dollar metro train line.
Those closures are in addition to the shut down of the rail line for three to six months towards the end of the construction phase of the project in late 2023.
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New rail stations will be built at Crows Nest, Victoria Cross, Central, Waterloo, Martin Place, Pitt St and Barangaroo under the Sydney Metro rail project.
The extent of the disruptions to tens of thousands of commuters who travel on the 13.5-kilometre stretch of track is detailed in an infrastructure report on the Sydenham-to-Bankstown component of the $20 billion Sydney metro rail line.
The report said track possessions – when trains would not be running – would occur during each of the December-January school holidays between 2019 and 2024, as well as the two-week holidays in July of each year during the period.
The Bankstown Line will be converted to carry single-deck, driverless metro trains. Photo: Simon Alekna As well as more weekend possessions than the typical four a year, multiple tracks through Sydenham Station – a major junction on the rail network – would be impacted during night times and "in some instances continuously for some days at a time".
The report said the track possessions at Sydenham Station would affect trains on the East Hills, Bankstown and Illawarra lines.
Buses are the most likely option for transporting commuters when the line is closed for construction.
The report said track possessions would need to extend beyond Sydenham and Bankstown stations to "facilitate alternative train and bus operational requirements".
The Sydenham to Bankstown Corridor Alliance, which is opposed to the conversion of the line, said the lives of commuters would be severely disrupted.
"We have a perfectly good rail line already," spokesman Peter Olive said.
"All the potential benefits of the metro can be delivered by retaining and improving the existing service and Sydney Trains' network."
But Transport Minister Andrew Constance said the government had chosen track possessions during the school holidays to limit disruption to commuters.
"At the end of the day there is going to be pain associated with putting that metro train in. We have been honest and upfront with that," he said on Monday.
He urged people concerned about the line's conversion to "look at the bigger picture in terms of the delivery of a metro train".
"They're in a corridor of Sydney where there's going to be 30,000 new apartment dwellings. People won't be able to get onto trains unless we invest like we are with a new metro service," he said.
Mr Constance said he had a "clear-cut expectation" that the management team overseeing the project reduce the final possession period from six months to three.
More information on the timing and duration of rail track possessions will be outlined in an environmental impact statement to be released in the middle of this year.
A Transport for NSW spokesman said major works on stations and bridges, as well as earthworks, would be undertaken during the track possession periods.
"We are looking to use quieter travel times, such as nights, weekends and school holidays to impact the least amount of customers," he said.
The first single-deck trains are due to begin running on the converted Bankstown line in 2024, which will form part of stage two of the metro railway that continues on from Sydenham to the central business district and Chatswood.
An existing 13km line between Epping and Chatswood in Sydney's north will also be closed for seven months from late next year to allow for completion of the first stage of the metro rail project.
The first section of the new line from Rouse Hill in the northwest to Chatswood is scheduled to be opened in 2019, the same year as the next state election.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/extent-of-syd ... umd8v.html

March 22 2017 Major new walkway for Central Station to link metro and suburban train lines .
A major underground walkway beneath Sydney's Central Station will become an arterial route for hundreds of thousands of commuters each day, linking a new metro line to suburban trains and light rail.
Unveiling the planned "Central Walk" on Wednesday, Premier Gladys Berejiklian said commuters would encounter some disruptions at Australia's busiest station during the three-year construction of the concourse, which was due to start by the end of next year.
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Transport for NSW vision shows plans for a pedestrian concourse under Central Station, to commence construction in 2018.
"It won't affect train services but some customers will have different platforms from which they catch their trains," she said.
"This is about modernising the centrepiece of our rail network. Alongside the metro project, we will ensure that Central rail station will have it's much needed upgrade."
The 19-metre-wide pedestrian tunnel will connect a new light rail line on Chalmers Street, on the eastern side of the station, to a yet-to-be-built metro line and existing platforms for suburban trains.
Platforms 13, 14 and 15 – which are used for country train services – will need to be dug up to allow for the walkway and the second stage of the $20 billion metro rail line to be built.
The government did not release costings for the walkway, but the outlay is expected to be similar to that for the $300 million Wynyard Walk, which connects Barangaroo to Wynyard Station and opened to pedestrians last year.
About 450,000 people are forecast to pass through Central every day by 2036, up from about 250,000 at present.
The new pedestrian link at Central Station will be 19 metres wide. Photo: Supplied .
"Access around Central is like a rabbit warren. What this will do is open it up," Transport Minister Andrew Constance said.
"Look at Grand Central Station in New York – this is what we're going to see here in the heart of mid-town in terms of Sydney."
Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Transport Minister Andrew Constance at Central Station on Wednesday. Photo: Peter Braig .
One commercial property will be compulsorily acquired for the new walkway, and as well as a number of leases at the station.
The government has called for expressions of interest from the private sector for the fitout of the station and the new Central Walk on Wednesday.
Central Walk will connect the new metro line with platforms for the existing lines. Photo: Supplied
A bridge will also be built from Regent Street, on the western side of the station, to the construction area at Central.
Sydney Trains chief executive Howard Collins described the plans as a "massive game changer" for people who had difficulty getting around the station.
"It will just make interchanging so much easier," he said.
Timetable changes to be released next year for Sydney's rail network will incorporate the first stage of the new metro line from Rouse Hill in Sydney's north west to Chatswood, as well as the impact of the temporary loss of the three platforms at Central during construction.
Mr Collins urged people to be patient during construction of the walkway and new metro platforms, and said staff would help people navigate the building site and ensure every existing service continued to operate.
"We're not cancelling services but there may be some changes in your route and your pattern of service," he said.
The station for the metro line beneath Central will be 250 metres long and sit 30 metres below the surface.
In September, the government sought community feedback on plans to renovate the 110-year-old Central Station, which covers 20 hectares.
An "outcome report" of that feedback is understood to focus on the need for more shops, cafes, restaurants and bigger spaces.
The station's overhaul will be a key part of the redevelopment of the Central to Eveleigh rail corridor.
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Roderick Smith wrote:The search box isn't finding these in the thread.

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A search for central construction would have found this http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewt ... n#p1007815
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I see there is a lot of construction work around the dive down to the old goods line, and a very steep ramp from the Mortuary siding area up to Regent St. Wasn't there talk of a pedestrian/bike path through here?
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Bankstown station image released: metro and suburban face each other on surface level but provision for future underground platforms, presumably for Liverpool extensions.

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Looks like Bankstown Council won't get any nice Subiaco-style town square linking the two sides over the top. If they're providing for underground, this could be done differently. Put the metro under with the suburban stopping on the surface at the western end and a square plaza to the east of that. Why not?
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^ Because that is common sense and common sense is not tolerated at any level of govt, if you have been found guilty of using common sense then you'll be out of a job. Creating complicated infrastructure or just slightly avoiding a more efficient and intelligent design prolongs the build time which keeps the contractors happy and makes the jobs that were created to last longer.
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Stu wrote:^ Because that is common sense and common sense is not tolerated at any level of govt, if you have been found guilty of using common sense then you'll be out of a job. Creating complicated infrastructure or just slightly avoiding a more efficient and intelligent design prolongs the build time which keeps the contractors happy and makes the jobs that were created to last longer.
Thank you, I had my suspicions but wasn't quite sure. :wink:

Actually this design bamboozles me. They actively talk about extending to Liverpool in the long term yet the metro finishes face to face up against the suburban and will have to be relocated later to go any further. So if they're doing an underground chamber anyway, why not do it all in the long-term configuration now?

Yeah yeah, I know, (lack of) common sense.
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Unless you need expresses to be able to pass the stoppers at that station, then you need both
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flitter wrote:Unless you need expresses to be able to pass the stoppers at that station, then you need both
I would think that any express would have a stop as Bankstown as a major (and interchange) station. The only other reason for having an additional stub platform for the metro is if they intend to terminate some services at Bankstown and want them clear of through services. But that then means two separate departure platforms in the Sydney direction which is a bit tough on users.
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tonyp wrote: I would think that any express would have a stop as Bankstown as a major (and interchange) station. The only other reason for having an additional stub platform for the metro is if they intend to terminate some services at Bankstown and want them clear of through services. But that then means two separate departure platforms in the Sydney direction which is a bit tough on users.
I think they will have platform direction on the main concourse to tell people where the next train to central direction will go (like the current one we got)
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